to all responders
before everything, read all the post, before you comment.
i have another clip of galloway-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZwWta92 ... ed&search=
thats for laughs, lets get sirious.
as the first post says, galloway was a strong supporter of sadam of iraq, and assad of syria.
2 oppressive regimes, you know alot about saddam, but little on assad. in another arguement i posted about assad killing 30000 of his own pepole, and about the assasinataion of the lebanese prime minister hariri only a year ago.
after this incident lebanonians stood up against syrian occupation of lebanon, until they took all thier soldiers back to syria.
hizbullah were against syrian withdrawl. i suspect they were involved in hariri assasination.
did you hear mr galloway talk about it? nada.
did you hear galloway go against syrian occupation of lebanon? no, he is a friend of syria rulers. but israel respondes to attack on israeli is unpermitted by the "moralist" galloway. double standarts...
what he says? lies. israel dont hold 3000 kidnapped pepole from lebanon, only 3. and israel didnt have to kiddnap them, they did terrorist actions in israel against civilians, and they serve time in prison because of it.
all of you will not belive me, so here is somthing from a site hizbullah made for thier prime prisoner, samir kuntar, which speaks of 4 detainees in israel (the fourth is israeli that was born in lebanon and was charged of giving them data about israels army etc)-
http://www.samirkuntar.org/files/News_0 ... 06_Eng.htm
now to thier hero prisoner samir quntar- look why he is in prison- killing of 4 pepole, one of them alittle child who was killed by him with the blows to her skull with the gun. another child died in this incident, when the mother hide from them, and silenced her not to shout by putting a hand on her mouth. it all happend in 1978, 4 years before israels war with lebanon-
if you will look next to the movie about quntar, there are other films, that clearly show, hizbullah now!! fires missiles that are against the jeneva conventiom(katyusha filled with bolts and iron balls) from civilian neigborhoods, to civilian population in israel.
about sheeba farms.
that is an excuse, used by hizbbulah to justify keeping firing into israel, in an excuse that israel didnt redrawl to the end. however, as you will see in the link i'll post, sheeba farms were capturd by israel in 1967, in the war with syria, that lebanon was not involed in.
syria says now its lebanonian land, wanting to give hizbullah thier allies in lebanon, the excuse they needed.
israel has no need of sheeba farms, but if israel wants to return it, it would be to the lebanon government of lebanon, not to a terrorist organization. hizbullah wanted it, because its a high point, controling israel cities below, a good place to target israeli cities.
the last piece,
a captive that participated in the kidnapp of the israeli soldiers. he speaks of his training, since the age 0f 15 by hizbullah, as a warrior. he speaks of training in iran, with free pass from syria military airport, he speaks of a prior kidnap attempt, that failed 8 months before thier success in capturing the 2 soldiers, and killing the others. he says in the end, that he trained on it in satureday, when all of us were preparing to the world cup finals, they were preparing for the attack. he says, that he expected israel will bomb all thier posts, but he didnt think israel will attack thier main base in southern beirut, a dahia quarter, the part of beirut israel crushed into rubble. the only part of beirut attacked by israel.
in a prior posts, i used unifil documents pangea posted, to show how hizbullah were building heavy construction, bases and posts, even near un posts, so surely posts near civilian lebanese population, how the un commander askes government of lebanon to deploy thier army in southern lebanon, but nothing is done.
here is the interview with the captive-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kAkQAvC ... ed&search=
suddenly last week, lebanese government decided to deploy thier troops. to late. too fuckin' late, for us and for them.
i saw a lot of ignorance on the part of the pepole debating the issue here.
they did not know tht israel, mostly in the galilee, the region who is attacked in israel, has 20% of its population, israeli arabs, who participate in the election(they are 10% of the parliament, the other voted to jewish parties), who are having thier full civil liberties, including cursing the army and government of israel, and nothing is done to them. israel has arabs in the supreme court, an arab system of courts, they can practice thier religion, and economically, israeli arab makes in a year, what other arab in the region makes in 14 year.
thats why, even though israel is at war with the palestinians(parts of their families are there) and lebanon, they are still loyal to israel.
today we had 2 victims in the katyusha rockets attack, a mother and a child 5 years ols, and 2 siriously wounded from the same family, another child, and his grandmother. they are all arab!! and we have about third of the civilian victims israeli arabs.
israeli press and tv could have shown gore pictures like lebanese do, but israel has censorship, and want use gore pictures.
israel has 20% of its population now refugees, my family and friends host families from the north in tel aviv. not only the lebanese are refugees.
non of us in israel wanted the war. israels army was restraining itself for the last six years since the withdrawl, because tourism was booming in the last 6 years in the galilee. even the attack 8 monts ago, which was another try of them to capture soldiers, was ended with israel returning the bodies of thier warriors to unifil, because of this reason.
you got to understand, that when i say boom of tourism, all enjoyed it- jews and muslims, druze and beduians and christians.
while israel was building for peace, hizbullah was building for war, arming themselves with syrian and iranian missiles and no one on the other side did nothing to stop it.
about the palestinians.
israel redrawled from gaza, few months ago, paying alot of internal price, with the settlers of gaza. palestinians should have used it to show to israel and to the world, that instead of firing missiles from gaza to israel, they are rebuilding gaza, tearing down the refugee camps, and building new houses. instead, they used the teritory to attack israeli cities.
in the last election in israel, the party that won, said clearly it will withdrawl from the west bank as well, through a peace agreement( prefared ) or one sided withdrawl, if we have no partner. the second largest party, which i voted for, wants peace process.
a majority in israel is ready for peace. i am a member of israeli peace groups, my friends are at the ISM protesting against the seperation wall (but as long as terror strikes will come from palestinian authority most israelis will support this wall), when i was born i spent alot with my grandparents in ramla, which is a mixed city, half jews half arabs, and thier neigbours were arabs, i have palestinian and arab israeli friends, some things i am not sure you all have...
yesterday my favorite football team, which i'm a fan of, maccabi haifa played with liverpool fc, for the champion league.
haifa is another mixed city, jewish moslem and christian population, a city that was very much hurt by hizbullah katyushas this late month. the 3 last pepole that died there were arab israeli. in the football team, we also have jews, christian and arab players.
if hizbullah didnt start this war, we would have enjoyed a game with liverpool in israel. now we will play in cyprus.
so dont compare whas happening here to what us and england do in iraq. this was war for oil, far away from USA and england.
if english and usa homes were hurt by missiles, you would do what israel is doing...
israel is a superpower in the region, so those who try to attack israel, palestinians or lebanese, do that on the expanse of thier own pepole, with all the sorrow about the loss of every dead human.
instead of a class war, we get a a carpenter who fights carpenter (and a corporate executive who benefits from it)
dalton trambue, johny got his gun.