EVOLUTION - BEST documentary ever on the fraud known as the "Theory of Evolution"

What does this nonsense have to do with Chomsky, or leftist politics in any way? I would maybe expect something like this on a freeper torrent site, but I don't understand what it is doing here.

Am I misunderstanding what chomskytorrents.org is about?

I saw the other day a torrent named the World funniest videos. The moderators must have removed it.. Maybe this will go to the same place.

you're certainly not misunderstanding what this site is about. people are free to upload whatever torrents they think people will be interested in, however some torrents are obviously not appropriate for our audience. such things as the world's funniest videos are obviously not worth this site's, or this site's member's time.

often times members will notice torrents that seem to be inappropriate, and will mention them in the forums just as has been done here. this is the absolute right thing to do.

after a careful examination of the two torrents which seem to be the one or ones you were referring to, i have deleted them, because they appear to be blatant anti-science, pro-intelligent-design propaganda which was uploaded with the specific intent to pollute this site. if anyone disagrees, they are free to express their feelings in this thread, and all concerns will be responded to.

thank you for the help in this matter, both of you. feel free to discuss other torrents (including their appropriateness) here in the forums, it's what they're here for.

Of course Amerikkka's Funniest home videos has no place in here, but I think something about Evolution (which is clearly bunk) belongs in here just as much as religious discussions or what have you. I think the more videos we can have from both sides of the fence the better.
If we only have videos that we can all agree on, well then that makes us look just as one sided as the powers that supress us all.
If you want to see some silly propaganda, download Capitalism (or is it Globaliztion) is Good. Funny stuff!

Personally, I think the "other side of the fence" has enough space, resources, time, and money, as it is. Face it, who makes those videos? It's not black people from New Orleans. The battle for awareness is by no means balanced, and will probably never be. It's up to us to even it out, and allowing stuff like that, is imo, not evening it out. Chomsky is about questioning things, we've listened to long to people who 'states' things.

I support the removal, because of the stupid name of it, if nothing else.

remove wrote:
after a careful examination of the two torrents which seem to be the one or ones you were referring to, i have deleted them, because they appear to be blatant anti-science, pro-intelligent-design propaganda which was uploaded with the specific intent to pollute this site. if anyone disagrees, they are free to express their feelings in this thread, and all concerns will be responded to.
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i think remove is right. there seems to be a concerted effort happenning to pollute and disrupt this site. i am not a regular participant in the forums, so i don't know what it looks like on that side of things, but i have been a regular user on the torrent side of things, and was until recently very happy with chomskytorrents. i considered this a trusted and reliable site, but i'm afraid that a few dodgy downloads have pretty seriously dampened my spirits. if i wanted to sift through garbage, i'd be using one of the big sites (torrent reactor or the like). i don't have time for that.
if it was the usual pollution (trojans, porn, pyramid schemes) i'd just reckon no one was taking care of the site, but the stuff we're getting is actually the exact opposite of what people come here to find. obviously this stuff is being deliberately uploaded, not for any profit making motive as with the garbage on most sites, but to disrupt this site.
it's working.
i download a lot of documentaries which are unavailable here in poland, and chomskytorrents is a real lifeline for us here, but imagine this scenario: you invite a bunch of friends over to watch a documentary on the christian right and it turns out to be a TEXE MARRS film (sorry but no one here had ever heard of this nutjob before that)! wtf?
chomskytorrents is a wicked site, and i know that a lot of people appreciate what's being provided here, and obviously a LOT of work goes into keeping it running, but please don't mess it up because u are too afraid to be seen as somehow repressing free speech. if people want to upload maoist-cult type stuff, right-wing militia stuff, texe marrs, pro-neo-liberal globalization material,or holocaust-denial crap, that's their scene, but upload it somewhere else! i don't think that's what this site was set up for, and it's certainly NOT what people come here looking for. Intelligent debate is vital, but these torrents are NOT a form of debate. they are deliberate attempt to disrupt. debate involves discussion and that should be kept in the forums, or this site will drown. if someone starts insulting you in your own home, u ask them to leave. that's the way insulting torrents should be dealt with. just delete them and ban the user.
good luck. hope i don't sound too harsh. if it was any other site, i wouldn't care enough to write. i WILL continue to use chomskytorrents, but i'll be a lot more careful about what i download. i'll maybe try to find the time to get involved in the forums more as well, cuz i guess that's all i can really do from this end. thank-you to everyone there and good luck with the dodgy torrents.

Well it looks like we've angered whoever posted the original torrent, and they have reposted it. Perhaps an IP ban is in order? I'm not sure exactly how the site is set up to accept uploaded torrents, but maybe there should be a bit more regulation. I know this is a free service, and I certainly appreciate it, but I don't want to see it get polluted.

personally i don't think this is the appropriate site to discuss whether or not accepted and established science is correct or not. this isn't a religious or ideological warground, in my mind, this is a site for people of roughly the similiar political interests to find intelligent discussion, information, and of course, documentaries, speeches, and nonfiction material to educate them.

if members want to discuss whether certain facets of science are valid or not, then that is up to them. a thread can be created for that purpose. but that is not the aim of the site. if you think that evolution is a conpsiracy, or isn't true, then you are certainly free to visit conspiracy central and discuss it there, and post as many torrents related to it as you like. you must recognize that this area is for political discussion to take place. not scientific discussion.

this place was created by Martin originally to share Noam Chomsky related material and thoughts. it has changed from its original mission to sharing politically progressive material and thoughts, but i feel it would be quite a stretch to turn it into a place for scientific discussion.

feel free to discuss this further in this thread.

I am the original poster of the documentaries about evolution.

In a time when religion,religious people and particularly ISLAM is being demonized by the "elite" media , none of us will be harmed by examining the other side views and feelings.

However I didn't realize that the one eyed man insists on staying in the company of blind people to be regarded as king.

I am therefore removing my torrents which I cared to share with you and seeded for you.

Here are they :

x MALCOLM X : The Essential. (re-packed, re-tracked)
x Cat Stevens becomes Yusuf Islam. (Documentary)
x 9-11 : The Israeli Connection. (correct) (Documentary)
x SATANISM in America. (Documentary)
x PSYCHO-DAD : Captive Minds. (Documentary)
x PSYCHO-DAD : The Power of the Situation. (Documentary)

It delights me that ignorant and narrow minded people remain ignorants.

Now you can go back to worshipping "Numb Chimsky" and "Amy Goodman" if that's what gives you a sens of accomplishement and decency.

And don't forget to write to your congressman and to vote, you will make a difference in the world sooner or later.

Have a nice life.

Good riddance.

We don't need your torrents to know religious fundamentalists feel persecuted by evolution....it's all over what you call the "elite" media. Religion does not deserve equal time with science, as it does a disservice to both. And ultimately the point is such material has no place on this site.

Well, judging from the uploaders response, I guess it's no question anylonger that some of the reasons for posting it is to disrupt.

I find it sad that religions always try to hijack the issues, making themselves martyrs, and making everyone else Islam-haters, jesus-haters, or whatever. I also find it sad when people in conflict ask for support in the fights, rather than support for negotiations, as in Israel vs. the Arab/muslims and vice versa. Either I'm a Nazi, or I'm against Islam, not much of a choice there is it.

I will continue to remember Malcolm X for what he did, not because he was a muslim.

If the intentions are indeed good and peaceful, then next time maybe they should join discussions about it, or explain their agenda a bit earlier.

'watch_zis' I think you need to look yourself in the mirror when it comes to creating narrow-mindedness and polarization. The greatest prejudice is the belief that one is not prejudice.

Sceintific belief and Religious belief play a STRONG role in political control, it's totally related.

ok here are my thoughts about this whole 'censorship' issue:

i too am worried about the crap people have been uploading. i for myself have deleted only torrents which clearly don't fit in (r&b music, funniest home videos...).

i didn't wanna go down the road deleting any of those "invisible dude created man"-torrents or those dealing with secret societies+ancient mythology (which i find equally unbearable). i felt that unless there's a decent mechanism/procedure to the removal of torrents, we were going to wind up where we are now - you delete a torrent, people re-upload, retaliate...

but now that we're there we might as well take the opportunity and think about a solution - doing nothing and just letting the site being a blank slate isn't working, i don't want this place to become a dump site for all this nonsense.

there have been a couple of suggestions for mechanisms of content controll on this site:

-have an (elected) comittee decide. would require rather rigid and explicit content guidlines.

-have a "vote out a torrent" forum to get rid of unwanted content - submission of polls may be restricted to members of a comittee.

-have a categorization feature to let downloaders decide on the category a particular torrent is listed in by vote.


i'm very much in favor of the latter option (this was Protonz' idea). i think the vast majority of visitors to the site are reasonable people. those creationism-torrents, to take an example, wouldn't last a minute. dumped in the 'christian propaganda' bin, no further waste of thought.

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watch_zis wrote:I am therefore removing my torrents which I cared to share with you and seeded for you.

Here are they :

x MALCOLM X : The Essential. (re-packed, re-tracked)
x Cat Stevens becomes Yusuf Islam. (Documentary)
x 9-11 : The Israeli Connection. (correct) (Documentary)
x SATANISM in America. (Documentary)
x PSYCHO-DAD : Captive Minds. (Documentary)
x PSYCHO-DAD : The Power of the Situation. (Documentary)

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Now you can go back to worshipping "Numb Chimsky" and "Amy Goodman"

deal

I think the categorization idea is good, but if the uploader gets to choose the category, that won't really stop the problem. Someone could simply upload neoliberal material in the "socialist" category or something, and we will be back to deleting torrents.

Maybe if you combined the comittee and category idea, where the comittee decides what category to put something in. Or votes could also decide which category a torrent belongs in.

I'm surprised to see such "free thinkers" are so afraid of seeing films or whatever that are aimed at their beliefs. This doesn't need to turn into an evolution vs special creation thread but I'm surprised people are essentially saying documentaries or discussions about this have no value for "philosophers" to discuss. We can discuss politics here all day but, in the end, what does that get us? The Establishment has been in power (in America) for over 100 years! I'm not saying educating yourself and others about issues is unimportant but how much more can it do for someone's life to discuss more important issues such as the meaning of life (which is at the heart of the evolution vs special creation argument)? And how do ideas such as human origins not have anything to do with political discussion, as well? Logical progression of a discussion about origins leads to discussions about human rights, social rights and responsibilities, etc. Many of you seem to be failing to realize that a belief in the rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness is based on a belief that life has a purpose that was given to us by a creator and that we have a moral obligation to live our lives to be a benefit for society.

I certainly didn't come to this forum expecting to find dogmatic leftists who are only looking for ammunition against the political flavor of the month. To say in the same breath that Chomsky is a philosopher, you value his input, yet you don't want to be subjected to logical ideas that you disagree with clearly separates you from any philosopher as you're blatantly boxing yourself into your comfort zone.