Zeitgeist III - Moving Forward - 2011

oooo buddy.

I've seen the first two and there is a great deal to object to them. They take advantage of people with little education and deliver information that is more on the side of scaremongering than the result of serious studies. Conspiracy theories shouldn't be allowed on this site.

http://conspiracyscience.com/forums/forum/the-zeitgeist-movement Here is some conspiracy theories regarding Zeitgeist you may enjoy?

people who use the (negative / shun) qualifier 'conspiracy theories' should not allow themselves to be on this site Many ideas are theories and believe it or not there are some pretty wild conspiracies out there, try to be more specific in your objections Longshotman, imo you added nothing to the critique of THIS 'film.'

I think this belongs on the site, but it should perhaps have a disclaimer of some sort. I have watched the first two movies and will probably watch this one as well. But I agree on what Chomsky has said about the Zeitgeist Movement.

“I don’t regard The zeitgeist Movement as an activist movement. Rather, it seems to me to be a very passive movement that is misled by doctrines that have a pleasant sound, but collapse on analysis. Among them is the idea that we should “stop supporting the system” and should not “fight it,” that is seek to change and overcome it. That means that we should withdraw into passivity. Nothing could be more welcome to those with power. My feeling is that however sincere the leaders and participants may be, the movement is seriously misguided. It is not leading towards change, but is undermining it by encouraging passivity and withdrawal from engagement, and offering a false sense that some real alternative is being proposed, except in terms so abstract and divorced from reality as to be virtually meaningless.” Noam Chomsky [2009]

thanks for posting it, Vicotnik! I saw the first two parts or at least the first one two years ago and all I remember is that it's full of new age ideology and conspiracy theories. Back then I was more naive and I wasted my time watching the whole thing.
I couldn't make myself watch it again just to give arguments against it. It's too creepy and also a waste of time.
I'm sorry to hear inertia of habit got the best of you, in spite of Chomsky's arguments.

Putting aside the bickering about "conspiracy theorists" and the negative connotations of the epithet, it's undeniably a pretty sad state of affairs when "a movie" is continually conflated with "a movement". Regardless of what that dinosaur Chomsky has been led to believe, or what Peter Joseph may be hoping to hype into being, Zeitgeist remains merely the former and I will eat this post if it ever becomes the latter. There's no "Mad Max movement" or a "Dances With Wolves movement".. not even a "Themroc movement" or a "Society of the Spectacle movement". A movie, or three, does not constitute a movement. A movie has viewers, or perhaps 'fans', but hardly "followers". Anyone vacuous enough to base their worldview on the contents of a movie is hardly worth considering, much less engaging in debate... and Chomsky, even with all his other faults, does himself a particular disservice by merely bothering to address this silly Internet phenomenon.

Also, I suppose it's worth mentioning that this torrent is completely bogus. The Zeitgeist folks (err... the Zeitgeist dude?) haven't released this film on their website for online viewing, or even provided the option to purchase the DVD. I personally tried for over 12 hours to receive this file, and while it appears to download blazingly fast, a data-check reveals 600+ failed chunks every time. So many people are sharing the corrupt data that even if the real thing is there in the crowd somewhere, you'll never get it all. So, the people who would like to see this tracker removed can easily make a case for it on non-ideological grounds... and, if it isn't removed, you can rest assured that nobody will have their fragile little minds warped by this torrent because it's just a bunch of useless corrupt data that will most likely crash their media player.

If anyone HAS had luck getting this file and watching it, I'd like to read about how you did it. Even though (like many others seem to be saying) I found the first Zeitgeist movie to be an intolerably dull mixture of right-wing "Libertarian" political conspiracism and left-wing "New Age" philosophy & religion. If it ever were to leave the virtual realm and become "a movement" it would be really interesting to see how such an ideological potpourri manifests itself. I'd expect it to end badly... perhaps a North American remake of the collapse of the Peronist big-tent in the Ezeiza massacre... A bunch of incense-burning Wiccans gunned-down by closeted-Christian militia members who initially overlooked the heathenism because they were so incensed with the Federal Reserve.

The first hour and a half are a series of statements trying to form a basis for the proposition which is about the next 1/2 hour of the film. I believe the main idea to be something on the order of an F.S.U. technocrat's wet dream. There is almost no 'conspiracy theory' but I find the logic of most of the propositions made for a 'Resource Based Economy' to be inadequate in proof/justification. I admire the fact that people want to make the world a better place, but I think the statement: "the road to hell is paved by the best intentions" best describes this film. To conclude, the film is very shallow in how said applications would be implemented, leaving me to believe that the only way it could be is under the guise of some totalitarian centrally planned govt. The film brings up many good points but its short on how to deliver. Chomsky's observation seems to remain resilient.

PS. I only watched about 1/3 of the film and most of it was later half of the film.

BTW How are economies not based on resources ??? Supply & Demand whether the mode will always dictate value, imo.

Oh yeah, the movie downloads just fine. & your going to want to open up the equalizer in your media player and block frequencies 3,6 & 12 Khz due to the annoying ringing ever present.

Oops... sorry to have misled anyone... I tried once more (after having previously given up my attempts) and now all the data checks out fine -- no bad chunks whatsoever. So, I have no idea why it was giving me corrupt data since about 5am on Jan. 24, but it seems fine now. I just previewed the first few frames with mplayer and there's picture & sound -- as it should be. So, don't let my previous comments regarding the integrity of this torrent put you off of downloading; if this is your kind of thing.

Again, my apologies...

I'd say the first two caused more harm than good. They gave wrong causes and solutions to real problems, and made all and any complains and critics look like unreal conspiracy theories. I would once again agree with Chomsky.

This one seemed better. Sure 'Resource Based Economy'-solution is ridiculous. This one had no 'conspiracy theory' explanations, but identified some real problems with real causes. No hate and little fear was used. I could even recommend.

there is good reason to use PeerBlock..

The problem is that this stalwart vanguard(many who are closeted homosexuals) who act hyper vigilant already exists in their voice chat, forum and other means of communication. They even have a whole radio show(s) VTV-radio that has devoted all it's time to slandering 'trolls' and justifying the centralized authority they have and why they need it. Not to mention the hypocrisy of their statements of humanism when it comes to their actions.

This seems to be an early version of ZMF. I could not be completely sure of this myself not having access to any other releases.

I however posted a small clip from this version onto youtube to get a discussion going. However it didn't take the ZG-squad long to file a copyright claim on me. When I asked why they didn't want me to 'promote' their material, they replayed that this is the "not the final version", and should not be posted online. //cheers!

@gasparin
This year at the anarchist bookfair where I live, people were flyering for events relating to the "Zeitgeist movement", so people certainly claim that such a movement exists. I tried to engage them a little but they became extremely confused when presented with ideas other than their own.

I would call it Video-turf

Just read The Bilderberg Club: Masters of the World by Cristina Martin. The book is so bad, mingling lack of discernment, astrology, masonry, misquotes and so on in such a manner that in the end I found my lost simpathy for H Kissinger & co. Now I cannot tell if the author have an agenda or it's plain idiocy but I decided to call this kind of book a biblioturf.

Greek subs for this
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