Islamic Books & Stuff - A Humble Collection Of Texts

all the abrahamic religions are SHIT. and all are based on bullshit lies. they've collectively destroyed progress and fucked up the world in the process.

fuck abraham. fuck judaism. fuck christianity. and fuck islam.

infidel and proud.

I basically agree that religions are shit. Collectively they've caused so much harm and death it's scary to think about it.

But I also think the monster religions have become is more down to the religious leaders than the texts themselves (although there is plenty of shit in them too). In any case, it can be interesting to read about these things, if only to learn more about their background to be able to more intelligently criticise them.

The idea about a God/Creator/etc is obviously complete BS, but that doesn't mean there isn't something valuable in the texts. They are sort of historical accounts, at least some of it, and say something about morals. To use that as a blueprint for today is stupid, but it can still be interesting to read about it.

I'd prefer to have the list of books in the torrent instead of a blanket zip though. Unless it boosts the size 5 times or something I suppose.

Judaism is complete made up bullshit...they are truly intelligent and cunning people, i admit. They created a mythology (CREATED!) through which all other people would learn about them...said all things are subjugated to humans (BULLSHIT) and they are the chosen people of some make believe anthropomorphic character (BULLSHIT) and therefore they can do/take/kill/terrorize anyone they want cause they are "the people of God" (BULLSHIT). Zionists picked up on this ploy and took it to the next level. Only they did things in reverse, writing "The Protocols of Zion" releasing it anonymously into the realm of conspiracy (PLAUSIBLE DENIABIILITY) and claim their religious counterparts wrote it in spite of them.

Anyone who has done any research on the history of christianity whatsoever would know that a) there is not one single shred of evidence that Jesus ever existed...although the fact he is discussed in Hindu texts, leads me to believe he may have very well existed and is possibly buried in what is now Pakistan. But the truth of the matter is that we arent sure.

b) the Bible is a bastardized form of Christianity, was compiled by Romans at the Council of Nycea to "bring people together under one religion" so that they can be "ruled easier". The council bent to the whims of the loudest asshole (just like gov's bend to christian pussies who bitch and complain and call evil everything that is COOL) and as such, the Bible was compiled through the lens of the most radical fundamentalist (hence why Gnostic Christianity (TRUE christianity!!!) was deemed heretical).

c) the Crusades were undertaken under complete fraudulent circumstances. The crusaders would have given up multiple times if Priest assholes didnt fake some stupid relic and claim some connection to Jesus or God...and turn around and say "this is a sign we must go on..." ....people are uncritical idiots.

d) Example: Deuteronomy, of which was claimed to be written by Moses, suddenly appeared in some the basement of some idiots Castle during a period in which the people were revolting against the ruling class. luckily for them Deuteronomy suddenly manifested itself and gave them "divine laws" (not human ones that could be revolted against...) which extremely harsh punishments, that could be used to subjugate the people and crush the revolt....how convenient.

e) christian fundamentalists *vomit* ..enough said.

Every single practicing Muslim i've ever met lacks critical thinking skills, is incredibly religiously indocrinated and is just straight up IGNORANT. (and i used live with 6 saudis)...though there are muslim scholars who's opinions and views i absolutely respect...just i've never met any of them. the shit many believe, as filtered through a religious lens, is absurd. the fact that many right leaning muslims believe that you can only talk to "infidels" when you are trying to teach them about islam or convert them, is fucking retarded.

i also find it ridiculous that muslims pretty much totally ignore the story of Muhammed's life prior to entering the cave and receiving a "divine message from God". ie. that he was a well-traveled trader, whose clan (family) died out leaving him with no form of protection if he were ever to enter into a conflictual circumstance. the fact the muslims believe that he was illiterate is fucking beyond belief....the guy was exposed to a large diversity of religions and was a respected businessman. the fact that he married an older woman that was his boss and proposed to HIM....and yet we see the absolute subjugation of women to patriarchal assholes, both sunni's and shi'ites. i dont doubt the dude went and meditated in a cave, but everything he wrote down came from within him, not from some make believe anthropomorphic character called God.

all 3 groups of fucked up assholes used their "divine connection" to kill justify the killing of their ideological enemies, the various pagan groups and each other.

both dichotomies of the great conflict we see in the world today are have developed as consequences of abrahamic religion: capitalism and islamism. their conflicts continually fucking up the world.

zionists trying to subjugate all foreign nations to their whims.

and both christians and zionist jews working together to make the "apocalypse" a self-fulfilling prophecy.. goes back to what i said in the first part about judaism, you make a claim, claim its of divine origin and then seek to establish it in the real world based on this "mythological" justification.

zionist israel already has plans to knock down the al aqsa mosque and dome of the rock to build "the temple of solomon" which NEVER EXISTED (was a concept of the mind, not a real thing) [the wailing wall IS NOT PART OF THE TEMPLE OF SOLOMON, never was, never will be even if you make up fake ass stories and claim it is so]. this is also being promoted by western christian fundamentalists who cant wait for the apocalypse cause they believe they will ascend to the clouds and watch the rest of us burn in apocalyptic hellfire of the war of heaven and hell on earth.....jokes. this is the shit driving political foreign policy across the globe?! SWEET JESUS!!! (pun intended). if they do knock down al aqsa and the DOTR that is going to piss off every mulsim idiot and they are going to revolt hardcore....the arab nations will attack Israel and Israel will nuke em all. world war 3...or 4 depending on how ya look at it...the apocalypse result of a self-fulfilled prophecy.

prophecy is for assholes, im not opposed to studying religious texts, can be a very liberating thing to study, as long as you arent going in indoctrinated. but to take it as the "word of some make believe character" is ridiculous.

i dont doubt there were great muslim scientists, astronomers, mathematicians, architects, artists, poets, and storytellers.

i just dont believe in their religion.

forgot to add to my islam rant that, what Mohammed did is create a mythology of which he could rally a clan around, as he had lost everyone- his family, his extended family (uncle)- that provided him with a clan connection.

all abrahamic religions are political tools of indoctrination and subjugation. hence why they suck.

im actually not opposed to the concept of God. but for me, the concept of God is best described as "the symbiosis of the universe", it's not a person or thing that can direct you, nor dictate divine knowledge through you. nor chose you over others, nor make you "right".

spirituality should be an introspective journey, not externalized, this is when things become dangerous. for the record, i think there are many beneficial elements (practices) outlined in religious texts that foster introspection and thus are quite beneficial for the individual and, in turn, society in general....just can't get caught up in the other made up crap that is used as "filler".

the political elements of the texts were meant for millenia ago...yet we still have large groups of people clinging to them for dear life....that's not what i call progress.

ill end my multi-post rants with a quote from the brilliant pianist/comedian Tom Lehrer, "a friend of mine once said: "Predict the worst, and you'll always be hailed a Prophet.""

I'm not going to remove the torrent because I'd have to delete your posts along with it. However, usually anything dealing with he invisible man in an uncritical way will get the boot.

"Transcendent Deity" is just fancy latin and greek for "invisble man".

I'm not even commenting on the rest. The invisible man theory originated during humanity's childhood. Anybody who believes in progress should have moved on by now.

i don't need to believe in bullshit to be a decent responsible person.

not to mention most religious zealots pick and choose what elements they want to follow.


for instance, christians often forget that: GOD HATES FIGS!!! (well, Jesus at least...)

http://www.danilic.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/IMG_2329.jpg

"...when they were come from Bethany, he was hungry: And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he came, if haply he might find any thing thereon: and when he came to it, he found nothing but leaves; for the time of figs was not yet. And Jesus answered and said unto it, No man eat fruit of thee hereafter for ever. And his disciples heard it."

because they werent ready and ripe when he wanted them, he deems them "abominations" and likens them to his mortal enemies...

Jeremeiah 29:17

"Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Behold, I will send upon them the sword, the famine, and the pestilence, and will make them like vile figs, that cannot be eaten, they are so evil."

little irrationally vindictive for a supposed messiah/prophet, don't ya think?

not to mention all finless, scaleless water dwelling creatures are "abominations" (on par with Gays lmao)

http://www.godhatesshrimp.com/

i wonder if they have one but not the other, if they are still abominations? like whales, dolphins and sea snakes... perhaps Shi'ite mythology fills in those "gaps" too...lmao

im not an athiest...im a pantheist....for the record.

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There are piles of files in the torrent, but after the "science is crap" babble above I'm not exactly convinced any of this material is worth reading.

Religion is more destructive than nuclear weapons, and has caused more harm to human societies. Frankly, it takes an incredibly gullible person to believe in that shit, or to be indoctrinated from youth. Indoctrinated is a harsh word and sounds like something from North Korea, but it is in effect what is often happening.

Religion sucks.

Read the God Delusion or something like that instead. At least that will give you something to think about. And I mean "you" in a neutral way here, not as a personal attack.

Hopefully one day we will rid ourselves of pathetic believes such as religion. Most kids stop believing in Santa Claus when they start thinking for themselves. But for some odd reason millions of people believe in that absurdity of some man creating every bloody thing on this planet just a couple of thousand years ago.

To paraphrase Bill Hicks, if man and dinosaurs lived together, there would probably be something about it in the fucking Bible!

Rather funny to see a guy preaching religion saying people who are critical of it are clutching at straws.

As to prophets, I don't have any. You clearly have plenty.

Just because we are "infidels" does not mean we are incapable of thought. Generally the situation is quite the opposite. We don't believe in religion BECAUSE we have thought about it. Give it a try. You might like it.

I've got no issues with believing the prophet made his way from Mecca to Jerusalem on the back of a flying horse -- so long as one can prove it. So far not much success there.

Well, if you call yourself a Muslim, you can't sit on the fence on whether Muhammad did this or that. Calling your faith a theory is both an incorrect use of the term and (I'm guessing) a sacrilege.

Theories in the real sense use logic and evidence to explain phenomena. They are upheld as long as there are no internal contradictions and as long they explain all or most of the data. If they don't, they are discarded and replaced by new theories.

Religions don't work that way. Muslims (or any other believers) don't believe certain claims only as long as there's no evidence to the contrary. They believe in them, period. No evidence, no logic, the prophet said it and that's that..

This is pointless to follow any more.

I'm gonna try the link in the mail that cancels future updates. Discussing science, facts and religion with people who don't even believe in evolution is beyond pointless.

Bye.

"The fact is that science as we have today originated from believing people like those I mentioned not the godless."

well, i do think that science came out of a search for an understanding of "God", but i see modern science more as alchemy without the element of spirituality. hence why im a Luddite as well as a Pantheist....im opposed to the corporate technocracy and feel that many things we have "discovered" are actually of negative value and should be "smashed", to use the oldschool luddite term. a perfect example being GMOS (seems there are alot of fundamentalist christians working in genetic modification realm, something which i see as "fucking with God" and contradictory to their own beliefs..if you want to put it through that lens) and the Pharmaceutical industry..just because something is discovered and can be marketed and sold for profit in capitalist societies like we have now, does not necessarily mean it is a good thing. so, in that sense, i too am skeptical of some realms of science (of which are often, themselves, based on an almost "religious-like" speculation and faith..faith in the sense that just because you can figure it out that it automatically has positive value... a faith in rationality [we ARE NOT solely rational beings]).

This is a direct result of the promotion of Capitalism (which is derived from the idea that everything on earth is in a state of subjugation to us humans) by the psycopaths (see jon ronson's new book, "the psychopath test" or the documentary "the corporation") that have come to dominate the world.

but what the hell man, anybody with any observational abilities whatsoever can see that, without a doubt, evolution is a fact. i don't see how you can negate evolution without sounding like/being a complete idiot. even if you do believe in creationism (of which there is no evidence whatsoever, and there never will be) ...i don't feel that it is in conflict with a belief in evolution.

personally, im not opposed to the "panspermia" theory, that low level lifeforms are actually alien species that got to earth via asteroids, or perhaps extraterrestrial intervention (something, i found humourous is when Ben Stein, in his doc on creationism, gets Richard Dawkins to admit its possible ET's intervened or were the origin of life on earth). im not an adherent to such a belief, but ill admit i do find it intriguing.

i do believe in the existence of UFO's though (not saying they are definitely extraterrestrials...i think it's likely they are actually multiple phenomenon...jacque vallee's theory, secret gov projects and in some cases ETs), but it's an evidence, not faith based belief. there is an overwhelming amount of evidence that there is definitely something going on that we have yet to explain/understand, if you know where to look.

but at the same time im not at all a richard dawkins fan. (see Adam Curtis "All Watched Over Machines of Loving Grace" Episode 3 post/documentary as for why). as far as im concerned hes an extremist at the other end of the spectrum, and many of his ideas have been used in just as destructive ways as religious ideas have. dawkins looks at us like machines, i dont think we are "just machines"...i think to hold such a belief requires a certain amount of faith not too different than a religous faith (in that to hold such a belief you must negate so many observable phenomenon, like Ghosts, for instance...i've personally had 2 ghost experiences, 1 of which ive experienced multiple times with other people). Science has a tendency to NEVER believe in people's experiences (i admit that memory/recollection is imperfect and can be manipulated..but sometimes, especially when multiple people experience the same thing, you've just gotta listen...theres no other way to come to an understanding about such subjects with our current technological prowess), and i personally feel this is holding us back.

but i think, if you understood it, you would quite like Pantheism. im definitely a dualist, in that we have a physical and spiritual element. Pantheism doesnt negate the existence of "other realms"...our state of "reality" is limited by human physiology...ie. that we can only see a certain portion of the light spectrum, for instance. i do feel there are other realms in which "entities" that we cannot see do dwell (even if they are just remote viewers cruisin all over the place during their outer body experiences lol). [if you think remote viewers are "bullshit", you are so wrong...look at Michael Persinger's lecture about studying ingo swann, then doing tests with regular uni students.]

because our "externalized" faith-in-rationality (and yes, the extremely rational who believe that we have an explanation for everything, are NO different than the extremely religious) science based society auto-negates the existence of such things without warrant is THE VERY REASON WHY people fall into traps of religious indoctrination.

i, personally believe, that all the externalized technologies we have created are things we could have achieved with our own human potential. computers an attempt to externalize our brains, cinema an externalization of consciousness, the internet like "telepathy" or an ability similar to what remote viewers possess (whatever you want to call it).

i adhere to the belief that "life is about the journey, not the destination". it's about living and exploring your own consciousness introspectively, whether it be in "reality" or "altered states" (which enable us to experience the world from a different level of consciousness). thus why i look at hallucinogens as "God's technology" that enable us to explore such realms. i do think certain elements of SOME religious texts do have value when looking at them from this perspective (ie as spiritual sciences)..but the Abrahamic religions are responsible for the negation of such ideas, which is why i passionately hate them.

for the record, im smoking pot and eating/smoking/drinking hallucinogens...i recommend you try it out you may just realize that everything is one, and connected. the earth and entire universe are in a state of symbiosis...though here on earth, we've led to conditions which are no longer ideal for humanity to flourish, and that i find saddening and disappointing. and it's all abraham's fault, that motherfucker!!!

should say humanity and all the other earthly beings** (in the second to last sentence)

if you dont think "other realms" exist, i urge you all to look at the story of John Dee (Queen Elizabeth's Magician) who worked with a man named...shit...stephen something i believe, a medium. together the men experienced some intensely insane shit!!! normally i wouldnt believe them, but one of the "entities" that was being channeled through the medium dictated an a completely unknown and 100% functional language, complete with alphabet, words, grammar, syntax.

modern science would be having nothing of it. but the language exists. and we've just gone off track because of our externalization and rationalization of everything, and thus, science fails to offer an explanation...and like i said above, examples like this are the very reason why people fall back into the traps of religion, because they are searching for an explanation, and often times, religion is the only realm offering up an answer.

we'd all be better off if we could all just admit that we just simply...don't always have an explanation and can't always understand things through rational discourse. We are both rational and irrational beings at the same time...it's just our nature as humans, can't negate it.

one thing is for certain, completely "rational" people, who only ever experience the world from ONE state of consciousness...are much easier to manipulate, subjugate and control.

this is why most countries continue to fund failing drug wars.

any anarchist who thinks theism is incompatible with anarchism does not know the history of anarchism nor of religious anarchists in the past and today.

was that comment directed at me redjade?

i dont recall mentioning or talking about anarchism at all in this thread...perhaps you could quote the part that you are referring to.

i did mention that i'm a "pantheist", which is just a different, more abstract, conception of what "God" "is".

anyways, i realize there are religious anarchists, especially Jews...but at the same time...a belief in God isn't required to be an Anarchist.

I know a couple of anarchists who believe in bigfoot for that matter. Takes all kinds..

Seriously though, I'd like to see some references for the claim that "especially jewish anarchists" were those who were or are religious. From what I know, back in the days of Rudolf Rocker, those people were fervently opposed to Religion, showing up for a brawl at the synagogues every friday.

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@Martin, was referring to some of the radical Hasidic groups in Israel. wiki has a little entry about it:

"While many Jewish anarchists were irreligious or sometimes vehemently anti-religious, there were also a few religious anarchists and pro-anarchist thinkers, who combined contemporary radical ideas with traditional Judaism. Some secular anti-authoritarians, such as Abba Gordin and Erich Fromm, also noticed remarkable similarity between anarchism and many Kabbalistic ideas, especially in their Hasidic interpretation. Some Jewish mystical groups were based on anti-authoritarian principles, somewhat similar to the Christian Quakers and Dukhobors. Martin Buber, a deeply religious philosopher, had frequently referred to the Hasidic tradition.

The Orthodox Kabbalist rabbi Yehuda Ashlag believed in a religious version of libertarian communism, based on principles of Kabbalah, which he called altruist communism. Ashlag supported the Kibbutz movement and preached to establish a network of self-ruled internationalist communes, who would eventually 'annul the brute-force regime completely, for “every man did that which was right in his own eyes.”', because 'there is nothing more humiliating and degrading for a person than being under the brute-force government'. [1]

A British Orthodox rabbi, Yankev-Meyer Zalkind, was an anarcho-communist and very active anti-militarist. Rabbi Zalkind was a close friend of Rudolf Rocker, a prolific Yiddish writer and a prominent Torah scholar. He argued, that the ethics of the Talmud, if properly understood, is closely related to anarchism[4].

During biblical times as recorded in Samuel (Shmuel) I 7-9 [2], God warns the people not to take a king like all the other nations, and therefore to remain in a state of political anarchy."

the second paragraph- about Yehuda Ashlag- pretty much reflects my beliefs!!!

@RedVenim....there is a SHITLOAD of fucking evidence...you just choose to ignore it for some reason???

its called THE FOSSIL RECORD, it's called biological diversity..all very well documented. and whereas not perfectly complete in all circumstances, to assume we've found everything is just fucking retarded, new shit is popping up all the time filling in the gaps.

the world goes in cycles....the great deluges....or the suns (as the mayans refer to them)...represent times of quick and extreme ecological change, much like we are seeing now...the world didnt end with every living thing wiped out...while the populations of many species would be drastically affected,including periods of mass extinction, theres always going to be some survivors..and the world moves on from there. no "transcendental deity" is descending and "creating" new life...that's absurd. but it sure makes for a cool story that can be used to teach people about your culture, beliefs, spirituality and used to control them politically. just not meant to be taken absolutely literally...unless you are the one being controlled that is and the laws found in these ancient texts are meant for ANCIENT TIMES....millenia ago in most cases....so why the hell are people like redvenim clinging to them so much?? only because fearmongers have scared them into it.

you are a fucking ignorant asshole, you know that right?

what? you expect me to take you through by baby steps or something? you are that incompetent, are you? try getting a fucking education bro. the evidence is EVERYWHERE, it's not some esoteric secret whose mystery YOU must unlock.

Go to a museum; read about the work of Darwin (particularly his voyage to the Galapagos); look at how people use selective breeding of animals; look at species adapt to the survive in the environment they live in (and change over time as the environment they are living in changes); read about paleontology. im not gonna baby you through it if you are going be such a fucking idiot.

do us a favour, just kill yourself...world'll be better off... you'll be with your stupid non-existent fucking God, inshallah, and we'll all be happier.

i apologize...that was fueled by emotion and just plain rude. but i just don't understand why remain in such a perpetual state of ignorance...Allah gave you skills of observation, use them.

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