Jihad Soldier 
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An undercover report about a highly organized terrorist network in Holland, which has become the new European center for Islamic extremists. In ghettos across Europe, terrorists are exploiting its liberal laws to recruit disaffected young people and launder money. Is Holland ready to jeopardize its liberal society to fight terrorism?
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mmm... this seems to be the kind non-chomsky torrent neo-liberalists would like to infiltrate in revolutionary minds. "terrorists are exploiting its liberal laws to recruit disaffected young people and launder money?" in my opinion if they are going to be called something bad, they should be called COUNTER-TERRORISTS, since they are reacting to terrorism with more of it. or is it the occupation on Iraq and Afghanistan not terrorism?. I wouldn't recommend this torrent for this site and for this site's audience.
Dec 19 2007, 08:33 UTC
yea..when I read the description , I already knew something was fishy...
but again, I don't like to change the source description. .. it is only a copy and paste from the source.
if one has solid left outlook, these kinds of movies won't effect them...at least I know how to watch this and anlayze it properly.
Martin, go ahead and remove this, if u want.
Dec 19 2007, 13:59 UTC
I'm sure people using this site are intelligent enough to make their own interpretations of content.
Airing a variety of content is always good, biased content included. That's what democracy is all about, isn't it?
-Besides, it's always good to know what the other side is thinking and to keep abreast of their propaganda machine.
Please no one start removing content just on account of the point of view it expresses. That would just amount to censorship. Censoring alternative sources of information is no way of responding to mainstream media bias.
So long as there is freedom and diversity of expression and opinion our side will always win a rational debate in any case. After all, we on the left are in fact generally in the right.
Dec 19 2007, 19:58 UTC
Here is few additional note:
1) posting/uploading a torrent is a sharing ethic in p2p and it has nothing to do with trying to do propaganda or endorsing the content. Some people are still not aware of this distinction.
2) comments as posted above by leoajax are very important and keep them going. Don't request torrents to be removed. That's where some of the left went wrong, by not engaging in understanding enemies propaganda. But please do say what's on your mind with comments. Everyone is reading and listening and aware and pays attention.
3) When posting a torrent, please specify the source of the doc so we know where it is coming from, even if you decide to stay anonymous.
4) It is going to be a long patient dialectical methodology for all to watch non-left contents. So if we try to flare our fire too quickly, it will just burn fast and we can't go on for our long haul.
6) Dealing with the normal masses, it requires one person to be in their level of thinking and how they get bombarded by this kind of media and propaganda and you have to have watched it before and be ready to intellectually express the distinction and bring them into our camp with reason and not force.
7) Be smart and patient and think it thru dialectically like the great human that he was. (Refer to picture of my Avatar)
Keep up the good work. Keep comments going. even if u see me post something off the wall either on purpose just to see if you are awake or something that we do need process and watch and analyze anyways to be ready and knowledgeable all the time. Keep comments going.
Dec 20 2007, 01:43 UTC
"mmm... this seems to be the kind non-chomsky torrent neo-liberalists would like to infiltrate in revolutionary minds."
There's quite a lot of "non-Chomsky" torrents here. Do let us know if you want us to stop uploading them.
However, you appear to be basing your comments on nothing other than ignorance and defense of your want to preserve that. This documentary covers the same topic, the exploitation of liberal laws in scandanavian states by terrorists...
http://tinyurl.com/2zkw6v - Summary
http://tinyurl.com/2bg8v9 - Torrent
Will it also poison your revolutionary mind to hear the colleagues of a slain journalist in Iraq interview the man who founded their suicide bomber group ?
"in my opinion if they are going to be called something bad, they should be called COUNTER-TERRORISTS, since they are reacting to terrorism with more of it."
And in the opinion of people with dictionaries, you shouldn't. Counter: something that is opposite or contrary to something else.
Dec 20 2007, 06:17 UTC
comment but no name calling please!
Dec 20 2007, 13:57 UTC
My Answer to d0x: 1) English isn't my native language
2) if by COUNTER-STRIKE you mean to strike back (note that you are still striking not necessarily in an opposite or different way), I believe you can say COUNTER-TERRORISM meaning a response to terrorism with terrorism.3)I really spent to much time answering to such a comment, so I'll be skipping to the constructive comments.
My Answer to DrAgon and BrainSulg: After reading your comments I would say 40% of myself is on your side, meaning you have to have plurality of information and everyone has to judge from themselves.
But the other 60% says we live in a mainly capitalist society (I'm talking the hole world) and we are bombarded everyday and from every angle with pro capitalist, pro neo-liberalism, etc. propaganda. And people looking for a different approach find themselves in websites like this and still getting pro-capitalist propaganda... I think there's enough pro-capitalist propaganda in the everyday life, so avoiding it in this kind of website (unless you consider it extremely impartial) won't be unjust nor undemocratic.
Finally I'll say I could be 45 to 50% on your side if the person that posts this kind of torrents, watches it first, and after copying the "Description from source" writes something under the tittle of "personal opinion" or anything similar, saying what he thinks about it and the reason why he or she considers that particular documentary to be useful for a person looking for alternatives in a pro-liberalist propaganda filled world.
One final consideration: I used to visit chomskytorrents.org, (a source of almost 100% pro leftist torrents) and after a while I started getting redirected here, so I suppose this site is nearly as pro leftist as the previous, if not so, the main logic of my argument is not valid.
Dec 20 2007, 22:57 UTC
I read the description of the torrents again just to make sure where all this fiasco started.
it was not too bad in my opinion for this site.
if you can agree that both sides that keep calling each other "terrorist" are serving imperialism in long run. One hiding behind oppressed and using religion and existing anti-imperialism and anti-capitaism struggle to thier benefit, other hiding behind so called "democracy".
we should not take side.(one better than the other!!) .but understand that the oppressed struggle gets misdirected and manipulated like this.
I ain't gonna choose between those two choices.
Workers are still under same mode of production in both "terrorist" camps and just slogans changed, nothing else. We can continue the debate if you like.
Dec 21 2007, 16:24 UTC
"comment but no name calling please!"
First of all, "ignorance" is the proper assessment for someone's basis for objecting to the content of a film they haven't watched. I defy you to call it anything else.
Secondly, I haven't yet called anyone the appropriate name for what is being endorsed here. The removal of documentaries based on nothing other than ill informed guesses as to their content and merit. What sort of BS is that?
"yea..when I read the description , I already knew something was fishy... "
Did you now. Why don't you read this description instead and tell us that you still think it is fishy...
The claim that jihadists are being recruited in Holland comes from the jihadist doing the recruiting. What less fishy source could there be for such a claim that you would accept ?
"Martin, go ahead and remove this, if u want."
I uploaded a documentary about a warzone this week which was entirely from the POV of a US marine. Martin could probably get cracking on deleting that too for the same reasons.
Dec 21 2007, 18:02 UTC
Reason I said fishy is that:
If LinkTV put that description from a neo-liberal point of view , it is differnt than when I call them terrorist..I call both side terrorist..so I am still not sure from what prespective, Linktv or director of doc is calling them terrorist!
again in my opinion both side that call each other terrorist has different connotation than when I call them both terrorist from the left side and so it is different and yes it is still fishy to me..
that was the fish thing.
Removing torrent ain't gonna change anything..so remove it if you want..and I will still say..remove it if u want. and if it is removed...it'll just prove to me something about this site.
all social issues are very delicate and complicated subjects.. and it is not as simple as one might think... description ain't realy goona help at times...even the link at journeyman ain't helping me at all..I know how to watch this doc.
words have different connotations and all of them has been misused and stolen from the true left, That's my opinion.
Dec 21 2007, 19:37 UTC
btw..focus of this doc was critisim of Holland..rather than who is calling whom terrorist!
Dec 21 2007, 22:59 UTC
Although My way of thinking differs a little bit from yours DrAgon & BrainSlug, I'm with you on this one. d0x I'm sorry but I don't think there's any point in answering your comments
Dec 22 2007, 09:24 UTC
"If LinkTV put that description from a neo-liberal point of view , it is differnt than when I call them terrorist..I call both side terrorist"
You call both sides terrorists, but you'll object when someone uses this word to those carrying out car bombings of civilians?
Well aren't you Mr Objectivity.
"Removing torrent ain't gonna change anything"
Well yes it will. It will change this place from what it is now into a bunch of c##nts who censor content based on ignorance and political bias.
"all social issues are very delicate and complicated subjects"
No, not all of them. Some aren't complicated at all. For instance, if you join a group that packs cars with explosives to go an blow up citizens for the sole reason that they aren't the same religion as you, you are a "terrorist". Your's is a "terrorist" group.
This is not complicated. You cannot argue that it is and haven't even attempted to.
Dec 24 2007, 03:47 UTC
"d0x I'm sorry but I don't think there's any point in answering your comments"
That's not really surprising. You didn't think there was any point to watching the documentary before assessing its content.
Dec 24 2007, 03:50 UTC
regardless of the debate, I think it's a good upload on an interesting topic, and even if the description could tell you it's abit of a propoganda fear-inducing film, it's worth my download. i'll watch and comment later, many thanks...
Dec 27 2007, 16:50 UTC
I find it odd timing, as on karagarga someone also uploaded the so-called documentary "Suicide Killers" just around the same time, and that is also nothing but Fox News term used as the title, and so called "research" that was even considered reactionary by the NYTimes of all places.
Personally, I feel the description is really clearly showing this is out of place here already. To download it and then watch it in order to know more, only facilitates that OneBigTorrent is circulating it - so what is the point then of having any theme to the community?
I mean give me a break, Holland and its "liberal society" is in danger... that's practically a quote from the conservative politicians. Nothing more nuanced than that. Why is this a good upload? This wouldn't match at all to anyone who has been reading the Chomsky material.
Dec 28 2007, 05:53 UTC
If a torrent isn't "suitable for the audience of this site" (who are others to judge that anyways? what happened to an indepenent mind huh? I would nearly think some did not get any of Chomsky) - it will die out soon enough by lack of seeders. Ashame, the patronizing comments.
Mar 12 2008, 19:00 UTC