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The Soviet Story (2008)
Personal note: I'm not uploading this because I think it's a good documentary. In fact, I think it's rather the opposite. Some of the sweeping ;; and blunt statements in the trailer and the website should raise several eyebrowes if you have a warm place in your heart for any vision of a cooperative society. As does the fact that this piece was essentially financed by the Union for Europe of Nations, which is a conglomerate of petty Nationalist and neo-fascist Groups within the European parlament. It's also noteworthy that the filmmaker apparently had to resort to corresponding with noted Holocaust denier David Irving to try and back up one of his strongest claims (i.e. that the Nazis let the soviet secret service in on their plans for the Holocaust as early as 1939).
So this piece should be taken with a lot of caution. On the plus side though, the film has those other neo-fascist pigs of "Young Russia" seething with rage, and that's definitely a good thing. Russian society really needs to take a more honest look at some of its recent history.
Here's what the original uploader's description says:
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"The Soviet Story" is a story of an Allied power, which helped the Nazis to fight Jews and which slaughtered its own people on an industrial scale. Assisted by the West, this power triumphed on May 9th, 1945. Its crimes were made taboo, and the complete story of Europe?s most murderous regime has never been told. Until now?
FILM SYNOPSIS
The film tells the story of the Soviet regime.
- The Great Famine in Ukraine (1932/33)
- The Katyn massacre (1940)
- The SS-KGB partnership [in the late 1930s the KGB was called NKVD, more info>]
- Soviet mass deportations
- Medical experiments in the GULAG.
These are just a few of the subjects covered in the film.
"The Soviet Story" also discusses the impact of the Soviet legacy on modern day Europe. Listen to experts and European MPs discussing the implications of a selective attitude towards mass murder; and meet a woman describing the burial of her new born son in a GULAG concentration camp.
The Soviet Story is a story of pain, injustice and "realpolitik".
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27 Comments
The poster forgot to mention that although there is English narration, contributions from Russian speakers are neither subbed nor dubbed in English.
Non-Russian speakers (such as myself) will find this frustrating.
Does anyone know where to find English subtitles?
Non-Russian speakers (such as myself) will find this frustrating.
Does anyone know where to find English subtitles?
Jun 04 2008, 21:52 CEST
This is cheap propaganda. Half truth is always worse than outright lie.
Jun 07 2008, 01:58 CEST
Cheap propaganda??
lol u most bee Russian
This move is goood and it shows how the russons helped nazzi in ww2
lol u most bee Russian
This move is goood and it shows how the russons helped nazzi in ww2
Jun 08 2008, 16:15 CEST
I didn't say they didn't. Just as Your country did. For example by providing them leased punch cards machines (IBM) so Holocaust can be more efficient.
It's propaganda because it is onesided. Half truth is always worse than outright lie.
P.S. I'm not a Russian.
It's propaganda because it is onesided. Half truth is always worse than outright lie.
P.S. I'm not a Russian.
Jun 08 2008, 16:20 CEST
Here's some info on the neo-fascist clowns who funded the production: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_for_Europe_of_the_Nations
Jun 08 2008, 16:23 CEST
I still don't have subtitles so not yet watched this film, so I shall take issue with some of Bojan's remarks but without reference to the film/
There is nothing automatically wrong with a documentary polemic. Many of the best documentary makers have firm views on their subject matter, as they have good authentic material and a compelling story to tell.
Stalin's USSR was a barbaric place, Stalin himself one of the worst criminals against humanity of all time. He did starve the population of the Ukraine; he did agree the Nazi Soviet pact in 1939, under which Poland was divided up between Germany and the USSR.
Towards the end of the WW2 and after the war true heroes such as the fighters of the Warsaw uprising or the defenders of Leningrad were either fed up to the Nazis or murdered by the Soviet state.
This by the paranoid coward who made an early alliance of conquest and convenience with Hitler.
Stalin's Russia may have been a terrible place for its inhabitants and Stalin may have killed more than Hitler. Nothing however compares with the unique evil of state-sponsored race hatred and industrial human slaughter conducted by the Nazis.
Nevertheless, to suggest that FDR's America was no better that Stalin's USSR because of the commercial policies of IBM - or for any other reason - is a bit pathetic. Were you really suggesting an equivalence?
There is nothing automatically wrong with a documentary polemic. Many of the best documentary makers have firm views on their subject matter, as they have good authentic material and a compelling story to tell.
Stalin's USSR was a barbaric place, Stalin himself one of the worst criminals against humanity of all time. He did starve the population of the Ukraine; he did agree the Nazi Soviet pact in 1939, under which Poland was divided up between Germany and the USSR.
Towards the end of the WW2 and after the war true heroes such as the fighters of the Warsaw uprising or the defenders of Leningrad were either fed up to the Nazis or murdered by the Soviet state.
This by the paranoid coward who made an early alliance of conquest and convenience with Hitler.
Stalin's Russia may have been a terrible place for its inhabitants and Stalin may have killed more than Hitler. Nothing however compares with the unique evil of state-sponsored race hatred and industrial human slaughter conducted by the Nazis.
Nevertheless, to suggest that FDR's America was no better that Stalin's USSR because of the commercial policies of IBM - or for any other reason - is a bit pathetic. Were you really suggesting an equivalence?
Jun 08 2008, 17:22 CEST
No. USA is quite different and I have no intention to list all of her crimes against humanity it would be longer. Maybe (just maybe) in total summ of killed USA still didn't surpassed Stalin but eventually it will.
'Everyone knows what happened in the Soviet Union and throughout Eastern Europe during the post-war period: the systematic brutality, the widespread atrocities, the ruthless suppression of independent thought. All this has been fully documented and verified.
But my contention here is that the US crimes in the same period have only been superficially recorded, let alone documented, let alone acknowledged, let alone recognised as crimes at all. I believe this must be addressed and that the truth has considerable bearing on where the world stands now.' From Harold Pinter's Nobel Prize lecture
'Everyone knows what happened in the Soviet Union and throughout Eastern Europe during the post-war period: the systematic brutality, the widespread atrocities, the ruthless suppression of independent thought. All this has been fully documented and verified.
But my contention here is that the US crimes in the same period have only been superficially recorded, let alone documented, let alone acknowledged, let alone recognised as crimes at all. I believe this must be addressed and that the truth has considerable bearing on where the world stands now.' From Harold Pinter's Nobel Prize lecture
Jun 08 2008, 17:39 CEST
I don't think it means to deny Stalinist crimes when you point out that the Soviet Union wasn't the only force collaborating with Hitler at some point. In the early 30ies, the US business establishment just loved him.
And let's not forget that (contrary to the standard western narrative) the Red Army was the one that contributed most to the defeat of the Wehrmacht, and also suffered by far the most casualties.
And let's not forget that (contrary to the standard western narrative) the Red Army was the one that contributed most to the defeat of the Wehrmacht, and also suffered by far the most casualties.
Jun 08 2008, 18:01 CEST
Thanks again, Martin. This rewritting of history has even funny side for its shallowness. In the movie (and in message above) one of the Stalin's crimes is "he did agree the Nazi Soviet pact in 1939, under which Poland was divided up between Germany and the USSR." And I agree that was a crime. But wasn't whole Europe divided between the allies (one of which was uncle Joe) after the WW2?
Jun 08 2008, 18:20 CEST
Bojan, you'll note that my reference was to the USA under FDR.
I think again you create a false equivalence. France, Denmark even West Germany were not American in the way that the eastern countries became Soviet. Churchill particularly loathed the carve-up but was in no position to stop it.
I fear I'm portraying myself as some sort of yankee flag-waver. I am absolutely opposed to American economic imperialism and the military monster which stands behind it.
America is not responsible of all that wrong in the world, always the nastiest player on the stage, sometimes it's even been a force for good. America remains a very complex society.
To portray America as being always and in its essence the worst of nations is a distraction from the real issues of globalised capitalism.
I think again you create a false equivalence. France, Denmark even West Germany were not American in the way that the eastern countries became Soviet. Churchill particularly loathed the carve-up but was in no position to stop it.
I fear I'm portraying myself as some sort of yankee flag-waver. I am absolutely opposed to American economic imperialism and the military monster which stands behind it.
America is not responsible of all that wrong in the world, always the nastiest player on the stage, sometimes it's even been a force for good. America remains a very complex society.
To portray America as being always and in its essence the worst of nations is a distraction from the real issues of globalised capitalism.
Jun 08 2008, 19:03 CEST
Well, Lucien, first of all I am not trying to create any equivalence. Equivalencies and analogies usually are pretty wrong when it comes to history. That's exactly my objection to this movie and its one-sidedness.
I am not speaking about FDR's USA, but imperialist USA that was such (imperialist) from the very beginning. And btw "economic imperialism" is such euphemism that gave me good laugh.
I didn't say that all wrong in the world comes from America neither I am implicating American society in any way. Although I must admit I have problem finding example when USA was force for good. But for that matter I have problem finding any FORCE good
You are right that "France, Denmark even West Germany were not American in the way that the eastern countries became Soviet" and nobody in his right mind would argue contrary.
"After the Red Army had in 1968 mercilessly crushed the social reforms in Prag, Soviet leader Leonid Breschnew in Moscow with his infamous 'Breschnew doctrine' had openly declared that the countries of Eastern Europe were only allowed to enjoy 'limited sovereignty'. As far as Western Europe is concerned the conviction of being sovereign and independent was shattered more recently. The data from Operation Gladio and NATO's stay-behind armies indicates a more subtle and hidden strategy to manipulate and limit the sovereignty, with great differences from country to country. Yet a limitation of sovereignty it was. And in each case where the stay-behind network in the absence of a Soviet invasion functioned as a straightjacket for the democracies of Western Europe, Operation Gladio was the Breschnew doctrine of Washington."
NATO's Secret Armies, Operation Gladio and Terrorism in Western Europe, Daniele Ganser (page 246)
Is it from a moral standpoint so different? (again, I'm not creating equivalence)
Btw it's an exellent book and it is Ganser's PhD thesis (so. it's history not conspiracy theory). It's available on torrents I suggest you filling blanks of post WW2 history with it.
P.S. "No matter how paranoid you are what the government is actualy doing is worse than you imagine." William Blum
I am not speaking about FDR's USA, but imperialist USA that was such (imperialist) from the very beginning. And btw "economic imperialism" is such euphemism that gave me good laugh.
I didn't say that all wrong in the world comes from America neither I am implicating American society in any way. Although I must admit I have problem finding example when USA was force for good. But for that matter I have problem finding any FORCE good
You are right that "France, Denmark even West Germany were not American in the way that the eastern countries became Soviet" and nobody in his right mind would argue contrary.
"After the Red Army had in 1968 mercilessly crushed the social reforms in Prag, Soviet leader Leonid Breschnew in Moscow with his infamous 'Breschnew doctrine' had openly declared that the countries of Eastern Europe were only allowed to enjoy 'limited sovereignty'. As far as Western Europe is concerned the conviction of being sovereign and independent was shattered more recently. The data from Operation Gladio and NATO's stay-behind armies indicates a more subtle and hidden strategy to manipulate and limit the sovereignty, with great differences from country to country. Yet a limitation of sovereignty it was. And in each case where the stay-behind network in the absence of a Soviet invasion functioned as a straightjacket for the democracies of Western Europe, Operation Gladio was the Breschnew doctrine of Washington."
NATO's Secret Armies, Operation Gladio and Terrorism in Western Europe, Daniele Ganser (page 246)
Is it from a moral standpoint so different? (again, I'm not creating equivalence)
Btw it's an exellent book and it is Ganser's PhD thesis (so. it's history not conspiracy theory). It's available on torrents I suggest you filling blanks of post WW2 history with it.
P.S. "No matter how paranoid you are what the government is actualy doing is worse than you imagine." William Blum
Jun 08 2008, 23:00 CEST
wow this film is super inaccurate and very offensive to myself and other communists
Jun 19 2008, 06:19 CEST
very good movie.
it was made to show what did russians, because everywhere is movies about things what did germans, and a lot of people dont know what was in real.
very very very good movie.
it was made to show what did russians, because everywhere is movies about things what did germans, and a lot of people dont know what was in real.
very very very good movie.
Jul 01 2008, 09:36 CEST
Still have to watch it, don't know how far they stretch the analogies. But someone needed to start talking about the crimes committed by the communists. Obviously, the Western powers that criticize that regime use fake propaganda, otherwise they would have to answer for their own crimes, so we've been lacking accessible materials telling that part of history.
Ukraine's Holodomor is still denied as a genocide by the Russian government:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
This is a quote that compelled me to search for this film:
"As Françoise Thom (one of many anti-communist luminaries appearing in the film) puts it: “Nazism was based on false biology; Marxism was based on false sociology”. The Marxist dream of the “new man”, for example, mirrored the Nazi idea of racial superiority. The Nazis murdered chiefly on racial grounds, while the Soviets concentrated on class. But mass murder is mass murder."
Ukraine's Holodomor is still denied as a genocide by the Russian government:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
This is a quote that compelled me to search for this film:
"As Françoise Thom (one of many anti-communist luminaries appearing in the film) puts it: “Nazism was based on false biology; Marxism was based on false sociology”. The Marxist dream of the “new man”, for example, mirrored the Nazi idea of racial superiority. The Nazis murdered chiefly on racial grounds, while the Soviets concentrated on class. But mass murder is mass murder."
Jul 02 2008, 21:04 CEST
It is usually pointless to argue with communists or their progeny (i.e. Bojan above et al.). Twisting history, trying to find a fault with anybody who critisises them while totally avoiding the facts - that is their modus operandi. And many intelectuals in the west fall in the trap and start explaining that yes, our society is also wrong. As long as we have killed one innocent human being anywhere in the world we can't really judge the communists etc, etc.
The idea itself that someone has to argue with this (most likely Balkan moron) after seeing the film is ridiculous. He is OK with 7,000,000 ukrainians starving to death, but god forbid one of the document's authenticity is questionable - oh no! This can not be tolerated. Let's blame IBM and Ford. This posting is not for him and his leftists friends. He/they are a lost cause. No arguments will change their mind. Thanks to the likes of them the soviet system was possible.
The facts are simple - there has never been another regime that has killed so many of his own people in the history of the world. For anyone who considers himeslef/herself a western type intelectual - a word of advise - just ignore them. They are not normal, arguments don't work. How do I know? Bitter personal experience accumulated over many years behing the iron curtain....
The idea itself that someone has to argue with this (most likely Balkan moron) after seeing the film is ridiculous. He is OK with 7,000,000 ukrainians starving to death, but god forbid one of the document's authenticity is questionable - oh no! This can not be tolerated. Let's blame IBM and Ford. This posting is not for him and his leftists friends. He/they are a lost cause. No arguments will change their mind. Thanks to the likes of them the soviet system was possible.
The facts are simple - there has never been another regime that has killed so many of his own people in the history of the world. For anyone who considers himeslef/herself a western type intelectual - a word of advise - just ignore them. They are not normal, arguments don't work. How do I know? Bitter personal experience accumulated over many years behing the iron curtain....
Jul 21 2008, 04:44 CEST
@arbanas
Dear Albanian comrade, you showed your objecitivity by ad hominem remarks and twisting what others wrote.
Dear Albanian comrade, you showed your objecitivity by ad hominem remarks and twisting what others wrote.
Jul 21 2008, 08:20 CEST
arbanas, I find your most recent comment disturbing in that it seems you're trying to close off conversation with a large group of people, saying it's impossible to reason with them. This reminds me of the rhetoric surrounding some of the worst crimes in "modern" times. It may be difficult and it may prove fruitless, but discussion can change peoples' minds, even in ways that don't surface in the conversations that take place in forums.
I'd also like to point out that "facts" aren't usually simple or obvious. I could say that this glass cup on my desk is made of glass. Someone else could come along and say it's made with silicon. Someone else could come along and say it's a sweat-shop product. This is all just for a simple glass. When we enter into heated political debates where our info largely comes through many filters and different powers, can we really label things as simple facts? The only reasonable way I can think of to penetrate the misinformation, especially in history as it's already in the past and would be difficult to witness first-hand, is to go over the "facts" over and over, adding in as much reliable information as one can to test the entire model. A great way to do this is by conversations.
I'd also like to point out that "facts" aren't usually simple or obvious. I could say that this glass cup on my desk is made of glass. Someone else could come along and say it's made with silicon. Someone else could come along and say it's a sweat-shop product. This is all just for a simple glass. When we enter into heated political debates where our info largely comes through many filters and different powers, can we really label things as simple facts? The only reasonable way I can think of to penetrate the misinformation, especially in history as it's already in the past and would be difficult to witness first-hand, is to go over the "facts" over and over, adding in as much reliable information as one can to test the entire model. A great way to do this is by conversations.
Jul 21 2008, 18:05 CEST
People/nations do what is appropriate for their circumstances. That doesn't mean they do the right or the wrong thing, it just means that people who've risen to the top tend not to be morons and tend to know how to get what they want. Murder is murder whether it be by ordering one killed or giving the weapons/training for one to be killed. I don't have the information to make any kind of judgement as to who has the most blood on their hands... however, I do know that the US government continues to follow similar paths as it historically has, not only resulting in many deaths and much suffering in the present but steering us towards more in the future.
I'm under the impression that soviet Russia took a more heavy-handed, military rulership of its own country and so different actions were appropriate for their goals there than in the US and other "capitalist" countries. The US and soviet Russia are not equal, yet both are responsible for a ridiculous number of deaths. A critical difference, as I've already pointed out, ios that the US is still at it. Russia has collapsed into a poor, corrupt state with much suffering. The reason "we" don't worry about it any more (I'm aware this is a big generalization), IMO, is that they're no longer much of a threat to US power. That people're suffering isn't of great concern.
Yes, bacondrum, people in the United States, as far as I know, for the most part are not killed off because of their ethnicity, beliefs, etc. Outside the US, indirectly (and sometimes directly) by the US, they are.
I'd like to make it clear, bacondrum, that I believe the US and soviet Russia were/are not the same, but they have similarities, and thus, disagree with you there. I believed I've pointed a few out here. I could try to point out more if you'd like.
Peace,
I'm under the impression that soviet Russia took a more heavy-handed, military rulership of its own country and so different actions were appropriate for their goals there than in the US and other "capitalist" countries. The US and soviet Russia are not equal, yet both are responsible for a ridiculous number of deaths. A critical difference, as I've already pointed out, ios that the US is still at it. Russia has collapsed into a poor, corrupt state with much suffering. The reason "we" don't worry about it any more (I'm aware this is a big generalization), IMO, is that they're no longer much of a threat to US power. That people're suffering isn't of great concern.
Yes, bacondrum, people in the United States, as far as I know, for the most part are not killed off because of their ethnicity, beliefs, etc. Outside the US, indirectly (and sometimes directly) by the US, they are.
I'd like to make it clear, bacondrum, that I believe the US and soviet Russia were/are not the same, but they have similarities, and thus, disagree with you there. I believed I've pointed a few out here. I could try to point out more if you'd like.
Peace,
Nov 13 2008, 16:21 CET
This movie is certainly true. I can make English subtitles of Russian speakers in the film. I would like to know ARE THERE ANY SUBTITLES in the frames of the movie which the site contains. I have already got the movie (in a different way) but it has Latvian subtitles (persistent) that disturb to watch it.
Mar 23 2009, 15:07 CET
Idiot Bojan must come from Slovenia, this is one of the only four countries in the world with communist regime, these are: China, Cuba, North Corea and Slovenia.
When you point out the evil coming out of communist violence, they always start to shit about america and their "never evidenced-but surely existent" imperialism, mass murder and crimes. Which of course must surely be in extremely larger scale than communist violence. Maybe they are trying to say that USA is to blame because of the devastation they have made to mankind, especially to Slavic nations.
When you point out the evil coming out of communist violence, they always start to shit about america and their "never evidenced-but surely existent" imperialism, mass murder and crimes. Which of course must surely be in extremely larger scale than communist violence. Maybe they are trying to say that USA is to blame because of the devastation they have made to mankind, especially to Slavic nations.
Apr 14 2009, 11:48 CEST
Bojans live only in Balkans, mostly in ex Yugoslavia. Slovenians, Croats and Serbs have most of them.
Please read Arbanas' post again. It describes nature and operating of communist regimes, communists and their advocates.
Please read Arbanas' post again. It describes nature and operating of communist regimes, communists and their advocates.
Apr 14 2009, 13:13 CEST
Russians nowadays:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article6168959.ece?Submitted=true
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article6168959.ece?Submitted=true
Apr 30 2009, 13:47 CEST
"wow this film is super inaccurate and very offensive to myself and other communists"
I find being a marxist very offensive by itself
"please dont defend stalin or the soviet union, he murdered millions of innocent people and is a great embarrasment to the left."
I though you lefties always justified a little genocide in the name of the state and the "common good".
"you wont find any disagreement with me on the U.S.A.s deplorable track record. El Salvador, Nicaragua, Mexico, Chile the list goes on. Latin America"
Is so funny that you mention Chile, since Salvador Allende was a KGB puppet, payed and supported by the USSR, that broke the constitution and the laws of Chile and violated the private property, individual rights and liberty of the chilean people.
I find being a marxist very offensive by itself
"please dont defend stalin or the soviet union, he murdered millions of innocent people and is a great embarrasment to the left."
I though you lefties always justified a little genocide in the name of the state and the "common good".
"you wont find any disagreement with me on the U.S.A.s deplorable track record. El Salvador, Nicaragua, Mexico, Chile the list goes on. Latin America"
Is so funny that you mention Chile, since Salvador Allende was a KGB puppet, payed and supported by the USSR, that broke the constitution and the laws of Chile and violated the private property, individual rights and liberty of the chilean people.
May 04 2009, 09:38 CEST
"many leftists forget (i am very much on the so called left) that Stalin would have been more aptly described as a state capitalist or a fascist"
No, I think socialist fits perfectly for a genocidal, collectivist, illegitimate and totalitarian state.
No, I think socialist fits perfectly for a genocidal, collectivist, illegitimate and totalitarian state.
May 04 2009, 09:43 CEST
"No, I think socialist fits perfectly for a genocidal, collectivist, illegitimate and totalitarian state."
What's the one defining feature of a socialist? That he/she advocates the control of the means of production by the proletariat.
Did the proletariat have any control at all under Stalin at all? Obviously not. It follows trivially that Stalin wasn't a socialist.
What's the one defining feature of a socialist? That he/she advocates the control of the means of production by the proletariat.
Did the proletariat have any control at all under Stalin at all? Obviously not. It follows trivially that Stalin wasn't a socialist.
May 05 2009, 03:52 CEST
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