Gypsy Child Thieves 2009 09 02 This World BBC2

this is an interesting article that fits well with this documentary:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090902/ap_en_mu/eu_romania_madonna_gypsies

Before seeing the documentary let me add a few things as
somebody who has lived in this country up to age 25.
Following this commentary I will watch the documentary and follow up.

During communism in Romania (WW2-->1989) gypsies were kept under
control as everybody in the country was.
Education was compulsory as was work - some unemployed
people still dream and joke about those times.
(If a person was found not to be employed or not work on a farm
tha person would be made an example of, publicly shamed for not
working and ... of course helping the communist cause, bla, bla).

Gypsies were supposed to send their children to school as all
Romanians did. Yep, folks imagine the horrors of
having to go to school,learning to write, to read, do math,
play with other children...yeah, extremely "horrible".

Did gypsies send their children to school?
Few of them did and usually by the time the children graduated
elementary school (fourth grade) their partens would not allow them
to attend school anymore since they considered that was more than
enough education already and/or they were supposed to get married.
(somewhere between 10 and 13 years old, 15 would be quite old for a
gypsy bride).

Gypsies are not like regular Romanian folks.Nope.
They do not simply have families, go to work, have a vacation,
get together with their relatives once in a while.
They live all together in big clans.

They do not set for small houses or apartment buildings flats.
They need lots of space whole streets and a whole neighborhood
so that their clan members can all live together have fun,
get into huge fights, steal in packs (since they don't work).

Their children are forced into marriage as young as 10, some cases even
smaller. Romanian families have 1, 2 or extremely rare 3 children.
Gypsies have at least 5 and it is natural to see gypsy families
with 10 or more children. After the fall of communism in Romania (Dec 1989)
some foreigners went to Romania to adopt children. For a while
things seemed to be going fine. Following a number of complains
regarding the adoption process the adoptions were put on hold.
Gypsies found ways to make money by selling some of their children to
foreign couples willing to do the deal.

Gypsies also heavilly used their children for professional begging
in order to make large ammounts of money.
Many children had inflicted wounds upon them, or broken limbs to make
then more "appealing" and more effective in their jobs as beggars.

Gypsies do not have a written language. All their culture is passed on
orally. They have lots of their own words and also heavilly borrow from
the country's language where they live, be it Romania, Bulgaria, Serbia,
Hungary, Chech Republic, so on.

They call themself rromani, rromales...
A few years ago in order to be politically correct the officials started to
reffer gypsies as romi and/or rromi, what a mess making their ethnic
group's name sound more close to Romanians
Romanians and Rromi is the same for anybody in the world who doesn't know
the difference between Bucharest and Budapest.
Let's not get so politically correct as to forget who the hell they really are!
They were, are and will always be GYPSIES!

SOME, not too many, but some gypsises are traders, they work with metal
and make copper pots, pipes...these are rare exceptions and this was
before 1989, now since there are no more travel restrictions for Romanians,
and the Romanian gypsies who happen to be Romanian citizens, these guys
found new ways of making money across Europe.

In 1990 right after the travel rights have been granted to Romanians as
the communism has fallen one big story came from Austria.
It involved some _Romanians_ who actually caught and ate some swans from the
Danube in Wien. WOW, damn, there were hard time during communism, but to
actually do this, WTF?
Well folks, they were _Romanians_ ... more preciselly Romanian gypsies.

Another trick, they started building some huge houses in Romania and then made some
photos of the unfinished buildings, went to western Europe contries were they
begged and showed the photos to whoever they could in order to get the money to finalize their
"churches" . Yep, they started building huge mansions who resembled churches so
the Germans and others were tricked into giving them money.
BTW gypsies do not follow a specific religion, rarely they might, but most
of them do not belong to any specific church.

They also used the children to beg all around Europe.
In the nineties in Germany they were such a plague that the German state simply started rouding them up
and sending them back to Romania (they even had some standard issued bags, you could tell
that some guys were just expelled from Germany by the bags they used to carry).

Another way to make some "honorable" money: they used to put dead dogs in front of some
houses in small towns in Germany then they rang the bell and asked the owner of the house
if he wanted them to get rid of the dead dog for him. Usually the owner was really disgusted
by the sight of the decomposing dog and agreed to have the gypsies help him, for a fee of course

Dude ... WTF??? (_^%!@)*(&!@%$%

It is well known that some Romanians used the gypsies' services many times.
If you had to hire somebody to beat the hell out of some guy(s), all you had to do was to pay some
gypsies and they would do it for you. They don't care about laws, society and police anyway.
If a policeman (one would be suicide anyway), actually a few policemen had to conduct
some sort of investigation in a gypsy controlled area, they were better off going from the very beginning
with reinforcements, extra dozens of heavily armed SWAT guys, if they wanted to get out alive from that area,
especially if they were supposed to arrest somebody.

Another thing they used to do was to always steal from stores especially in Western Europe.
They even got catalogues of merchandise such as electronics, jewellry, accesories, clothing and they
would steal it on request.
The requester paid a lot less if he would've bought the merchandise, and the gypsies made an easy buck.
How do you steal a ring with a diamond woth a few hundreds of thousands?
At least 5 or more gypsies would go into the store, ask to see the target maerchandise - e.g. diamond ring,
ask for some more merchandise, create a diversion, made sure they brought in a champaine bottle (with the
empty space at the bottom) with enough chewing gum on the bottom to hold the ring. They would put the bottle
on top of the ring and even if they were searched none of them would have the ring on them.

In Romania they were known for:
NOT working, NOT sending their kids to scool, ALWAYS working some sort of trick in order to make money,
having big brawls and fights and usually police was not enough to contain the 30, 50, or more guys
fighting with each other using shovels, axes, fists, knives and usually the equivallent of SWAT
was brought in to contain the situation.

Travelling in big cities by public transportation was quite an adventure and you ALWAYS had
to watch your pockets for the pocket pickers, not only gypsies, BUT most of them were the gypsies!

Everybody used to have a family member or friend who was physically assaulted or killed by gangs of gypsies.

If two gypsy families had a fight and a Romanian tried to intervene (in some cases to stop a child being beaten)
both gypsy families would beat the hell out of the "intruder" THEN continue with their fight

When I was 14 in a food store I was approached by two gypsy women, one about 30 and the other 45.
They asked me what was written on a can of food.Hmmm school? What is that good for ?

On the street they always tried to sell you fake golden rings, necklaces, act as fortune tellers,
did tricks with playing cards...absolutely ANYTHING they could think of just to make money
AND NOT WORK as any normal person would do.

In Romanian they are called _tigani_. When somebody makes a big brawl in Romanian is called _tiganie_.
Do you see the conection? Yep, it is something that the gypsies would do.

I personally had a gypsy classmate who was really a great guy.
He even graduated secondary school, great guy to play with, talk to, be friends with.
He was clean (yes, something special for a gypsy), neat, great guy.
WTF happened? Well, he used to live with his mom only, in a regular flat among Romanians.
They did not have connections with the gypsy community.
Think for yourself!

There are many layers of wealth and poverty among the gypsy community also.
Many of them are really poor - probably the ones that didn't steal enough to break out of poverty,
and others who are really wealthy who literally have millions of dollars or euro.
Once in a while there is a self proclaimed _king_ of the gypsies.
There are a few of them in Romania and, yes, they do live like kings.

WTF ? How is this possible if they don't work?
They always "get by", they "manage" things, they "know the right people" and so on.

In 1990 right after Romania was _theoretically_ free of communism many ethnic Germans who
used to live in Romania left for Germany. In many cases they couldn't or didn't want to wait
to sell their houses and simply left.
What happens with uninhabited houses, not only but, especially at the outskirts of small cities?
C'mon you know it! Yep, they get taken over by gypsies, just like that.
And they brought their own furniture and household "things", right?
Nope, the hardwood floors were ripped put in the middle of the rooms and used as fire material.
Yes, the "fireplace" was right in the middle of the room.

They do have some good music and good music players, the brass band orchestra style ones.
I am NOT referring to the new wave of brainless _manele_ who is a type of music that makes
even the old gypsy players ashamed._Manele_ is the kind of music that an uneducated "gansta'"
style person would be listening to. All they do in these manele songs is to brag how smart they are,
rich, how the women find them super-attractive and how their enemies are crushed by their success in life
Nope, what I mean by good gypsy music is their folk music and brass band orchestras.

The gypsy woman follows her husband a few steps behind if they walk on the street.
The gypsy women sit at their own table, not at the same table with gypsy men.

EDUCATION, it ALL starts there!!!

Gypsies, like muslims in Europe, DO NOT integrate, they have their own ways of living and dealing in life.
They like to live in the society built by some hard working people, AND of course complain how mistreated they
are and how hard is life for them.

The socialist style appeasers, especially from abroad, and human rights activists who DON'T KNOW at all
how the gypsies act, live, and NEVER, EVEN integrate in the society - then come to Romania and give advice
to the Romanian people and government on how we should behave and be more "humane" with gypsies.
WTF ???

To all those who like to yank their pie holes without knowing what they are actually talking about
I wish them to live, for a few years, in a country where gypsies do what they do best, THEN maybe we can start
having a real conversation.

Madonna in her 2009 Bucharest concert referring to gypsies' issues ?
Ha ha ha !
Madonna and some other Hollywood "stars" DO NOT know what they are talking about.
She probably feels like she needs to get involved in various causes around the world when she gets borred.
Even though she sucks I think I understand her.

Peace out people, and ask around some folks in Eastern and especially Western Europe who have seen the new wave of
gypsies trolling around Europe how many of them have seen gypsies who do some sort of work.
Anything qualifies, even sweeping the floor in a store or restaurant.

Of course not all the Romanian citizens who are thieves, human traffickers, drug dealers are gypsies, BUT
many of them are, and Western Europe got a better taste of what gypsies can do in their societies when trolling
around.

Many Romanians because of the corruption, old communists, and the peoples' own desperation in seeing how
most things in society DO NOT improve have less and less children. I can oly imagine what the situation will
be in a few decades when the gypsies will be the majority

Now I'm gonna go see the movie and see the "truth", maybe ?
I'll be back with a few words after I watch it.

You're obviously a racist who hates romani people. The word "romani" comes from Sanskrit and is the ORIGINAL name of that people. The word "gypsy" was given by Greeks. So the romani have all the rights to call themselves like that, whether you like it or not. BTW, how would you feel if citizens of the city of Rome banned romanians in that city from calling themselves like that and instead forced them to use "dacians", for example?

Also most listeners of manele are probably non-romani so a lot of the "white" romanians are no better, culturally. Never mind the fact that the "white" pop/dance music you see on local TV has no more artistic value than manele and is often just as shallow or pornographic(think of any girl band).

And I assume you couldn't care less about the fact that until the middle of the 19th century they were slaves who were subsequently thrown into the streets, with no compensation or social assistance given. And you wonder why they had to turn to crime...

Yep, I saw the documentary and there is nothing new for me.
Maybe for some people there are new things. This only means they know
or rather didn't know enough about the gypsies maybe after seeing this
documentary they will have a glipse into the REALITY of dealing with gypsies.

"Poor" gypsies, then went to Spain to "make" some money.
"Not really sure how", not sure my a$$.
STEALING, that's how!

"The gypsy children are the most intelligent children and they don't need to go to school!"

There you have it! F-ing retard! He is very proud of his crapiness.

When the film maker was interviewing the gypsies in their camp near Madrid and they started
shouting they actually switched from Romanian to their language
(I don't know what they were saying, but probably arguing that its not safe talking on tape
about the way they steal from people).

The guy wearing a thick coat saying that there are most likely cases of hepatitis and
pointing out to a child that didn't have any pants on what the hell is going on with that guy?

Why didn't he get a pair of pants for that child?
"Poor kid!" That's what they say, but do nothing FOR that kid !

Because THAT is the way the small gypsy children were always kept by their parents, at least in the summer time,
almost naked. This is their way man!
When they get their hands on some money they do not spend it on their healthcare, education. NEVER!

They buy crap, build shitty houses, and maybe gamble all of it!

Education in Romania is compulsory and FREE!

WTF man ? Are the Spaniards supposed to appologize for their lifestyle to these scumbag gypsies?

FOR GENERATIONS gypsies have not gone to school ( because they are the brightest and smartest, let's not forget that)
and have not allowed their children to go to school, they needed their kids to abuse them,
so they kept the kids busy sending them out to steal and beg.

Yep, the Italian inspector is correct in saying that the gypsy men DO NOT WORK and send
out their female members of the clan and the kids to make money.
And the Milan mayor assistant is correct too in saying that gypsies have "NO CONCEPT OF WORK".

The gypsy kids are "lucky" for not going to school they could've been corrupted
by the educational system and maybe even got ... a JOB ?

Education, education, education!!!

And I see no reason for them not keep their music, certain traditions, adopt new ones
such as WORKING in order to live, NOT steal,
having as an excuse ALWAYS that they have no other means to live.

The authorities in all the countries where a large gypsy population is present
should have ENFORCED EDUCATION long time ago at all risks and costs.
Without it generation after generation knows nothing better than the one before
- they simply find more efficient ways to steal.

How the hell is a gypsy without any qualification and total lack or extremely limited foreign
languages knowledge supposed to have a decent life abroad ?

When one of the camps near Milan was evacuated the gypsies were asking the Italian authorities
where would they go now? WTF? Go the hell where you came from, should have been the answer!

Even when the family that was put into a shelter, FOR FREE, the mother STILL continued to
send her kids out on the streets to beg. WTF ???
I understand that the process cannot be a simple one with overnight results AND that it will mostly
work out for the young gypsies rather for their illiterate parents engulfed in their customs, BUT
THIS is the nature of gypsies, CUNNING one, they ALWAYS try to get some sort of advantage out
even from the people that want to help them.

Maybe we will see this MIRACLE some day such as a MAJORITY OF THE GYPSY POPULATION actually starting to
CONTRIBUTE to the societies they complain about as mistreating them.

@'Lucky Luciano' as far as I am concerned country's name, Romania,
comes from the fact that Dacia was a long time ago a province of
the Roman empire. As for the citizens of Rome "ban[ning]" Romanians
from using the name, you're going at great lenghts
_trying_ to prove something.

BTW why did you choose an Italian name for your nickname,
aren't you concerned that maybe the defunct Luciano Pavarotti will
haunt and sue you?

Are you also concerned about the UN dispute between Romania and Chad about the colors
used for the national flag?

I don't care that much HOW the gypsies call themselves.
I did mention and it is a pitty that many foreigners do
I actually don't give a rats ass about that.
It is a pitty that many people outside Romania do not know the difference
between Romanians and the Roma/Rroma/Romanis... people, wharever the hell they
choose to call themselves this decade.

The documentary is about gypsies and particularly about the gypsy
children forced by their parents and those who abducted them to
do the things they do. However I did mention that NOT all the Romanian
thieves and criminals are gypsies, of course many Romanians are among them,
but I am trying to point out a few things
about gypsies as I do not intend to write a book and publish it here on this website.

If me pointing out a few FACTS about the gypsies tickles your
sensible cords and that makes me "obviously" a racist, that is your
opinion and you are entitled to it.

You are probably one of the following: a gypsy yourself,
a Romanian who never had to deal with them,
a politically-socially-and-ethnically suicidal liberal Romanian who
would rather try to tolerate those who are intolerant and ALWAYS
defy the societies they live in by STEALING and BEGGING as a way of
life. Or maybe you are a person from outside Romania who simply "understands"
the gypsies like Madonna does - well afterall maybe you did suck on Madonnas
breasts some gypsy appeasement milk if the old hag didn't go dry by now.

ALL nations and ethnic groups had some sort of crap in their history including gypsies.
They WERE slaves, they HAD and STILL HAVE a chance
to a better life through EDUCATION, lets not dwell on the past!

It is ALWAYS the stupidest and crappiest excuse for your failures
to mention the past hardships, especially when those generations of people are long gone!
You cannot change your past, only your future!

Indeed quite many Romanians, yep who are "white" as in Caucasian,listen to the manele music.
I presume you also know exactely who those people are 95% of the time, correct?
Let's just say they are not the brightest ones, it is no mistery!

I also presume you know the "Anti-manele" campain going on in Romania especially amongst
the Romanian youth.
Perform a search on YouTube for "Altar La Noi" and give your gypsy lover
brain a shot of reality.
I need no lectures on quality music from you who "obviously" can _discerne_
so quickly and well about clearly presented facts.

How the hell do you think nations of people got to form on this planet?
By getting along nicely all the time in the past, present or future?

Gypsy lover, think about it, people ALWAYS fought with each other, they still do
and they still will. There is anymosity, fights, hatred among many nations and especially
close to the countries' borders. Each nation sincerely thinks that it is "special", it is somehow
psychologically normal to think that way even if its total bull.

BUT if gypsies really want to be respected and have their place in a civilized society
they should really _try_harder_ to CONTRIBUTE rather than to always play some tricks
and continue to live their lives they way they do now!

Your sorry lame trippin' of an excuse for the way the GYPSIES live their lives
will never qualify in a fact based discussion.

Oh and by the way, if you didn't now, I was born a Dacian, I am and will ALWAYS be a DACIAN!

"[Un]lucky Luciano" you are excused now, go back into the hole you came from or maybe
a rat infested gypsy camp, you certainly think like one (nope, I didn't mean that you
think like a gypsy, you think like a rat !).

O.k, I am a Bulgarian christian born in Canada. I personally think that people are feeling wayy too sorry for the gypsies, because they probably havn't had all of there lugage, money and documents stolen by a gypsie, in the middle of paris. Besides,nobody asked a large group of indians to turn nomadic,illegally migrate to europe with no money,and start smooching off everybody,just to survive. If they are complaining,then they should move back to where they came from. Also, i feel saddened by the fact that the only people in europe that are having babies are the gypsies. This is not racist but just the truth. In the future, there will probably be no more white people left, just a giant slum of gypsies, unless the wealthy people start having babies. Now,don't get me wrong, i am fine with a multiculeral society, but the european countries also have to preserve their culture, religion, their people, and their ways of live, not over ruled by the gypies. France and germany are already tackling the issue, as well as italy, and sweden, but the other countries have to grow some balls, and stand up for their country, and not let liberals bring in more gypies, and let the gypies live their, without and rules of respect for counrty that they camp in, so that is my opnion on the gypsies!