Zeitgeist 5 where are we going
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Peter's latest presentation to communicate The Zeitgeist Movement / The Venus Project publicly is now online. The 2 hr lecture, which was conducted at the Maharishi University on Nov 15th 2009,
"Where are we going?"
Dec 06, 2009, 01:00:11
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fuck this bullshit. fucking quasi-fascist anti-semitic fear mongering.
Dec 06 2009, 10:22 UTC
wow you are threatened by peoples anarchist dream to be free of hierarchy and money, and you call it anti-semetic? what does that say....
this is a very humanist project that has to do with removing classes and bringing about true egalitarian human potential
besides you haven't seen it, there is 10 min left till the 2nd seed...
it's exciting and powerful informative and full of a great vision for a sustainable future free from the corporation that has enslaved us all..
Love this Human brain foods. and take some action less we will all keep suffering.
Dec 06 2009, 17:39 UTC
"fuck this bullshit. fucking quasi-fascist anti-semitic fear mongering."
Dec 06 2009, 20:55 UTC
accusations w/o the why/how come/reason or because
make you out to be quite bigotrous. would you happen to be a banker?
what is anti Semitic about it and what is quasi fascist?
do you have a point or like Marx inwardly ashamed to publish your works on Max Stirner?
Dec 06 2009, 22:10 UTC
hahh.. shit.. "would you happen to be a banker?". yes, you got me, i'm a big scary bank teller!! watch out!
Dec 06 2009, 22:16 UTC
it's a question. what interests do you have in keeping society as it is now, or do you?
and have you seen these films (more than the first one that shows the root of all modern religion)
that you seem offended and offensive begs me to ask you to be more open minded and imagine the creative potential of what could be possible if we are to move past this false scarcity that dehumanizes us and allows for such pointless slander.
Dec 06 2009, 22:36 UTC
zeitgeist is beyond fail
Dec 07 2009, 08:13 UTC
the 'socialism of fools' indeed!
Dec 07 2009, 12:00 UTC
attacks with no explanations fall on deaf ears. i smell the pessimism and fear
Dec 07 2009, 19:44 UTC
I watched the first zeitgeist and found that it's economic chapter was rife with disinformation. In fact the whole thing had little or no organized structure and a lot of it seemed hokey or ridiculous. Frankly, a lot of the accurate information was already covered better on things like CBC specials that are easy to find online and such. Further, the format that it portrayed information was such that a lay person would find it difficult to separate fact from fiction or accurately understand some things that were inaccurately portrayed.
I saw no reason to see any further zeitgeist films and though others have not articulated this I think this is a wide consensus among people who have launched default criticism against the film.
Dec 07 2009, 22:19 UTC
Do people have any good links that explain in synopsis what flaws of the Zeitgeist schtick?
Something of quality would be helpful for me to send to my idiot friends that have never ending fawning praise of Zeitgeist.
Dec 08 2009, 00:48 UTC
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeitgeist,_the_Movie#Criticism is a basic place to start
Dec 08 2009, 01:15 UTC
those crits are all very weak and are more of a reaction to the questions in the first part of the first movie put about world relg.
nothing to do with this movie or addendum
or any of the subsequent videos/lectures movies.
Dec 08 2009, 19:36 UTC
to whom and/or what are you referring?
Dec 09 2009, 06:40 UTC
to critiques of the first movies first section above in the wiki article.
they seemingly come from their own bias, and have nothing to do with the scientific method, witch the movement is about and/or as well as solving post-capitalism with egalitarian technological innovative solutions.
Dec 09 2009, 09:24 UTC
It's always nice to have an eye on the opposition. And by 'opposition' I mean the Venus Project.
Honest to golly golly it's like we're back in the 70s, bad economy, war, gurus on every block hawking paradise and enlightenment to the drones.
It's not like Venus Project is anything new.
Welcome to your Future!
Dec 09 2009, 11:10 UTC
true that, srrojo.
anyway, I was referring notably to the economic section where it was criticizing that central banks (the fed) demand more in interest on loans it makes than it puts into the system. In fact, they(it) usually pay(s) more than it withdraws out in banking insurance over the long run.
Perhaps I am a stuffy academic type, but I prefer it to just being loony.
Dec 10 2009, 03:13 UTC
@scavengertype While that may be true about the insurance (and thus spending back into the system), I think the point is clear that money (in it's use and abuse today) is a divisive force between people. Can that really be debated?
Right now we can feed and house everyone in the world, but there just isn't enough money to do it. Money is made intentionally scarce in order for people to fight and work their lives away to survive.
The point is, we (as in all people on earth), can do a lot better --and that is the point of the Zeitgeist Movement : moving forward as a coherent species.
Anyways, thanks for the post with information, rather than just unfounded claims and swearing.
Dec 10 2009, 09:23 UTC
I wouldn't label Zeitgeist as disinformation necessarily, at least not through intentional means. The film maker Peter Joseph seems to be more a victim of the disinformation portrayed in the first film, as from I can tell he's not making the films to fatten his wallet a la Alex Jones.
After seeing the first film I didn't really have any intention of watching another. What got me to watch Addendum was finding out that The Venus Project was highlighted in the film. I personally find the Venus Project interesting just by association through some of the research I've done about twentieth century utopian city designers.
Quite honestly I did find a lot of the information and what was proposed in Addendum pretty intellectually stimulating. It was kind of like a hodgepodge of ideas from Kroptkin, BF Skinner and Le Corbusier in the context of the current century.
So even though I guess I fall sort of in the middle of this debate I would recommend watching Addendum. Some of the content presented is still of a conspiratorial nature, but there's enough reliable material to make it worth watching. I would at least say the film is sincere in it's message and not as devious as some make it out to be.
Dec 11 2009, 02:02 UTC
see mitch, that's my point. There are a great possibilities for equity in the world and none of them have to do with the interest rates charged by national banks. In fact a large portion of a great many of the personal banks operations with regard to accounts and lending are not unfair at all.
Zeitgueist doesn't talk about the lack of quality education and the social stratification of wealth. Nor does it reference the war on drugs and the prison industrial complex. It also doesn't examine the social welfare system and how effective it is at aiding people in both meeting their necessities and growing independent of such a system.
Dec 11 2009, 22:00 UTC
Wait wait wait, Scavenger, do you not know what the Venus Project is? It looks like we are talking about the same thing. But to make sure we are on the same page, please watch Addendum and this lecture. Then let us know what you think about its lack of concern for social problems and the solutions proposed.
Dec 13 2009, 03:44 UTC
I dono I started watching the venus project thing, but I just couldn't take it. I am pretty sure I have different views from the venus project on how these issues should be tackled and what tackling them is, but I just couldn't be bothered to hear them out. I gave that dude who looked like a monkey a good 20 mins to engage me in something that sounded substantive and real. Then I got rid of that torrent. I can't remember exactly what he said, but I do remember that I decided shortly after not to have anything to do with it.
Dec 13 2009, 05:35 UTC
uhhhh yeaaa....good luck to ya.
Dec 13 2009, 06:15 UTC
WOW. some people can be so blindly hateful. The message behind this film is simple. Lets make a world where 1% of the population doesn't own 40% of the wealth and 34,000 children don't die every day from poverty .Please keep your comments, academically founded or not , on the side of logic. child death and war bad. equality and sustainability good.its just about being a logical human being.
Feb 26 2010, 22:40 UTC